tut301mu021
tut301mu021
1S1: okay what are you working on today?
2S2: um, i'm in uh English um one-twenty-five,
okay
andi have um essay that i wrote and maybe
you could, maybe, look at it,
maybe revise it
3S1:
okay what wasthe assignment?
4S2: um, this one is autobiography
5S1: right
6S2: and this one here is a synthesis essay which is
based on a, essay that we read, about Columbus.
7S1: okay.
soChristopher Columbus?
8S2: mhm
9S1: and um these are both due for the end of this
term?
is that it?
10S2:
rightright.
11S1: and this has already been revised once?
12S2: yes.
13S1: and so basically what you want from me is just
any suggestions about final
touches?
14S2:
mhm.
15S1: so i read through it and then
okaymake any notes or whatever on it and w-
while i'm doing
oh
thatmaybe you could fini-
okay
fill thisout. um, okay so this is an
autobiography of, you know your coming to this country
mhm
and what'shappened to you since okay... oh
you came as sick- at sixteen?
16S2: yeah.
do i fill (out) (like) here?
17S1: yeah you um, i guess you would um, put where you
are in this age group, and this is a writing workshop
appointment. i'll put that up here... okay?
18S2: (oh) okay.
19S1: and then today's date, and...
20S2: the seventeenth
21S1: today's the seventeenth, okay and then you just
um, go through that... now who has read this before? your
teacher or uh people in your class, or
22S2: both.
23S1: both.
yeah
okay
this is funny. the
oh
transitionof the pizza it tasted terrible
the night before
right. made me feel about sick.
(and,) tasted greatthe next day. right
right.
when you start
a new quotation like this you should capitalize the first
word
24S2: oh okay.
25S1: okay?
okay, here's
um, here's
mhm
somethingthat this is this is a-
agreement.
mhmum and when you have a singular like
each of the students,
mhmyou have to say his or her... not their,
because their is a plural.
so if
thishas to agree
ohin number.
with this
26S2:
so if (th-)if i just leave,
each of the,just make a
(student.)
27S1:
that's right.it would be alright,
good.
28S2: but someone, um, in a_ classmate,
mhmsuggested put it in there so
well, i think it would
(i don't know) becausei started with
29S1: i think i would just take this out
cuz like
the studentshad their
right.it's easier.
30S2: cuz i started just uh
right.
(the) studentsand then
rightsomeone
right
(then wenthome)
31S1: right. when um in agreement,
mhmum your pronoun, always has to agree,
(mkay.)
withthe antecedent which is the um the
noun that it's supposed to refer to.
mhm.so this is um- just a r- a kind of
reference, issue here.
okay
you knowwhat does the pronoun refer to...
okay it was good you picked right up on that.
this is
interesting about the way the students were relating to each
other.
32S2:
(to come calling)
33S1: mm
wow, this was
a tough, period for you.
okay here's the
same thing we wanna capitalize.
34S2: okay
35S1: okay?
36S1: what was your problem?
(i'm sorry?)
your healthproblem?
37S2: um
38S1: it seems a little mysterious because you don't
actually
explain.
39S2:
right.cuz i decided not to explain the
detail.
40S1:
okay.can you_ y- y- is is there anything
you can say generally in a sort of category general
category?
41S2: um i mean do i need to?
42S1: well, it seems a it seems a, a little mysterious
mhm
the way,i mean typically people would say
you know uh like i broke my leg or, you know, um, i had
appendicitis or, you know
43S2: oh okay.
44S1: you know what i'm
saying?
right mm
they would just have a kind of_ they wouldn't give the
details
mhm
butthey would just sort of in a general
(mhm)
category
45S2: okay. um it's a kidney disease
46S1: oh
okay.
47S2:
sodo i need to sp- specify that?
or
48S1:
um,well i think it would it would s- it
would sound a little less mysterious if you said, um as i was
getting used to college life, and everything was going great,
i found out, about troubles with my kidneys
mm (okay)
or somethinglike that? you know? you don't
have to say anything more about it.
49S2: i see.
50S1: okay?
51S2: okay.
52S1: and then you just go on when i heard the ne- ne-
y- that's fine
mm okay.
you just kindof, you know it's just,
without giving any specific details
mhm
itsounds very mysterious and you don't uh
you know
i understand
doesn't needto be totally
53S2: right.
54S1: right... okay.
boy that's
terrific a three point seven.
55S2:
thank you
56S1: that's wonderful. that's quite a triumph for you.
okay i don't
think you need to say it again.
57S2: okay.
58S1: i think just saying that, um, you're_ tha- f- you
can finish it with, um
succeed.
59S2: mhm
60S1: okay?
okay.
this isgood. this is very good Mimi.
61S2: thank you.
62S1: um, just a few places where,
(okay)
i putum, prepositions_ changed a
preposition.
mhmum or, maybe put in a couple of, words
like
she would never mentionyou need
to us about English problems.um and
on this page there were some, some pla- some words left out.
mhmuh, but not very much.
i know, i
it's verygood.
63S2: i mean i know i have like major problems with
like prepositions
and stuff.
64S1:
oh,you know an awful lot of students do
English prepositions are_
there there really aren't enough u- i- they don't fit in
comfortably in rules.
mhmand it's so idiosyncratic where things go
or don't go.
it's very difficult.
65S2:
yeah. i know,like i ha- i don't know
sometimes like, i catch on but like sometimes i don't.
66S1: i know.
i'm i'm getting ready to go to
Italy,
oh
and idon't speak Italian,
real-
uh'oh
and i'mgonna be feeling exactly the way
you felt.
okay... okay, another issue of course
is articles. those are the two things that most second
language speakers have trouble with are articles
mhm
andprepositions because, um basically it's
hard to know wher- when to put the or not put it.
right.and um, there doesn't seem to be any
rule, that really fits all cases.
okay here's the
capital again. see? the_ and you want to use a colon, before,
the
(okay)
actualstatement.
mhm.
the question enters my mindcolon,
and here's the question and you, capitalize W
why did he choose to write without all
the details?
okay
that's a good
question. you know w- he wouldn't even be making the journey
if he didn't
have the_ you know if he
hadn't gotten the money for it.
67S2: right.
68S1: okay... did he give them one bell or lots of
bells?
gave them glass beads and brass rings and
bell.bells? or one bell? so you
(i took)
eitherhave to say a bell or bells.
69S2: maybe i have to look it over.
70S1:
okay.
71S2:
that's (like)straight from the (quote.) so
okay.
(i mean)maybe, i need to
proofread it
72S1:
yeahright right okay.
okay here is
kind of repetitious.
73S2: okay.
74S1: um you say he might be religious Columbus might
be religious,
mmso we need to, um
75S2: put it in one
sentence
76S1:
yeah.
he might be religious, yet he could be a
person with great ambition, who would do anything to achieve
his goal and gain his own profits.
mhm
but...
i had the impression, that he
exaggerated, himself to his king.
okayokay...? alright that's an interesting,
hypothesis.
Jennifer
Miller. who? oh okay i'll be another few minutes and i'll be
right out. thank you.
it's my next
appointment.
77S2: mm how_ how long is the appointment? each
appointment?
78S1: um they usually run b- about twenty-five
minutes.
79S2: oh okay.
80S4: sorry
81S1: it's reasonable to assume that he knew that
somebody would be reading his log that's for sure.
82S2: oh yeah
83S1: there also may have been a, convention about wr-
writing in logs that you only recorded facts and not
feelings.
84S2: mhm
but he did kinda both though.
85S1: he did both?
86S2:
yeah
87S1:
okay.
88S2: how like he was like talking about, how he'd
thank God all the time and stuff like that
89S1: okay you've said this al- several times about
not_
oh okay.
about wanting t-okay?
now here you're
saying the same thing again. so you're gonna have to either,
change the wording or not say this again.
90S2: mhm. is that the conclusion? or
91S1: um
everyyeah. you're_ so you need to, find
another way to say this
mhm
becauseit sounds like it's the very same
thing you just said in the paragraph before.
92S2: mkay. or maybe i should shorten it? or
93S1: um, how long is your paper supposed to be?
94S2: um i think four to five
95S1: well you might be able to shorten it and take out
some of those, p-
mhm
partsyou know where you've where you've
said those things
okay.
before.well i'm gonna have to
(okay)
get the nextperson.
96S2: um i have one question about this
yes
(xx)like are they asking about, the school
now or?
97S1:
yeah did yougo to the_ a uh primary or
secondary school in English and i guess you would say yes
right?
98S2: oh right.
99S1:
okay.
100S2:
i wasn'tsure
101S1: yeah i
about what the question was
know i know it'suh confusing.
102S2: okay
thank you
103S1:
okayyou're very welcome you fill this out
when you go outside_
uh
outto
okay.isn't that your_ this is your
copy i think
104S2:
is thatmine? yes it is.
105S1: um, you need_ you're i- if you_ while i'm reading
you might fill out these things which is the consent form and
the information
106S3: okay.
107S1: but first tell me what what your as- what your
assignment is and, what i'm going to be reading.
108S3: um, it's an analysis. and
okay.
it's,i'm analyzing the behavior of uh
three different people in a traffic jam.
109S1: oh okay. you've been in here before right?
110S3: uhuh
111S1: you were in here to_ or you wrote something about
the um about the um, the march.
112S1: right.
113S1: right the Ku Klux Klan
right.
march.right i remember that yeah. how did
that go?
114S3: it went well.
115S1: oh good.
yeah.good. you got a good grade?
116S3: uhuh.
117S1: excellent,
yep
that's what we're striving for.
118S3: uhuh.
119S1: alright so this is um three different people, in
a traffic jam huh?
120S3: yeah.
121S1: okay. i guess this is the way this is gonna
go
122S3: okay
123S1: this is good description.
now you
wouldn't know exactly how old he was would you?
124S3: uh'uh.
125S1: so, it sounds a little phony to say a
forty-year-old man when you're just looking in the in the
van
126S3: should i say middle-aged?
127S1: yeah.
okay
ithink that's better.
128S3: yeah i thought about that but then
yeah
i was likemaybe no one'll notice.
129S1:
well
um... you
wanna be careful when you're doing, detailed description like
this
mhm
whenit's f- heavy into, um assumptions
130S3: yeah
131S1: you know?
132S3: mhm
133S1: you just want to, try to be as, clinical, in your
analysis as you can be.
134S3: okay.
135S1: okay? so and s- and and and as direct and
precise
136S3: so u- u- yeah that's something that i wouldna
noticed.
right.
reallyokay.
137S1: now this is the n- another car,
right?
138S3:
mhmyeah it's a second person...
139S1: maybe you should say...
140S3: okay.
141S1: to signal that you're going to another driver
now
142S3: okay.
143S1: this pretty much explains,
something about the reason why he
pulled in front of the Expedition cuz he d- obviously doesn't
mind getting his car hit.
um, what i- i
don't understand this
it did not require much encouragement to
convince the driver to get them out of the traffic
jam
144S3: yeah. ah oh.
wh- i'm
145S1:
what does thatrefer to?
146S3: i'm trying to say that they didn't need to like
talk him into, driving on the shoulder of the road.
147S1: okay.
butthat doesn't you see that doesn't come
through at all in that
sentence.
okay.
um... you could say something like apparently... did not
take much encouragement, to convince the driver, to... take
the shoulder, route, take the shoulder lane or something like
that
148S3: okay.
149S1: to... attempt maybe you should say here.
150S3: okay
151S1: mkay you need a semicolon here.
152S3: okay
153S1: okay now you can signal this is another person by
saying nearby
154S3: mkay.
155S1: you don't know that it filled the van, their
laughter, they laughed
out of sight.
dropped out of sight?
156S3: okay.
157S1: you wouldn't see it anymore right?
158S3: right.
sh- should this be was? the Barbie was
stretched or stretched?
159S1: yeah e- either one is okay.
160S3: oh. that's okay?
161S1: right.
162S3: okay.
163S1: i wouldn't put this in here.
okay.
it's too,sappy.
164S3: mkay...
165S1: um you you uh you give that impression already
without saying it.
166S3: okay
167S1: you know you give the impression of what you're
thinking that_ about the mother and her treatment of the
children but when you actually come out and say it, it's
almost too obvious
168S3: okay
169S1: so it
(to separate her, same way?)
comes across so itbecomes across as
sentiment- sentimentalizing,
okayher instead of just observing her.
170S3: okay
171S1: okay now you_ now that you're getting into
interpretation of what you think you have to be careful that
you don't jump to conclusions, okay? so,
the differences between the three
drivers' vehicles, body movements and driving
styles,um,
are influenced by society's pressures and
permitted by the drivers' responsibilities.um... this
is kind of unclear here uh let's see.
what exactly is
it that you can tell from someone's driving style? you can't
be, um... i mean it_ it's temperament, individual driver
temperament. it could have to do with uh... um... just not
not exactly what you would call society's pressure but just
the fact that there's some kind of a traffic jam,
mhm
on theroad, and people could be, you know
just, alarmed or, whatever by that so you need to be careful
what you say.
172S3: okay
173S1: how you're accounting for this behavior.
174S3: okay
175S1: um
176S3: (or) i can work something out there.
177S1: yeah okay.
now here again
you're making a, assumption... that he he's um that the only
reason anybody would drive an Expedition is to show off.
178S3: mhm.
179S1: and maybe it's a good car and maybe
it h-
180S3:
itis a good car.
181S1: well, tha- um if if i mean, people tend to buy
what they can afford,
uhuh.and what suits their needs, not neces-
you know i'm just saying,
mhmyou're you're making a big leap here.
right.um that it's all conceit on his part.
and you have no way of knowing that. that it isn't um th- in-
it could even be a car that's been loaned to him by somebody
else
i mean he might, okay?
182S3:
uhuh right right i'm assuming thatyeah
183S1: so, um... so at this point... um, this is your
impression
rightof what this car signals to you. but you
have no way of knowing whether that matches up with the facts
or not.
184S3: mhm
185S1: so, there's a problem with this analysis the way
you're laying it out.
186S3: okay.
187S1: just jumping from, this is what i see so this is
what it must be... um... even here where you say,
for this reason,you're assuming
that he's, is, the way you're phrasing this makes it sound as
the_ as if you've interviewed him when you haven't.
188S3: okay.
189S1: so, how to get around this problem, um y- you can
indicate that, this, suggests some stereotypes in your
mind.
190S3: right.
191S1: right at the outset.
192S3: okay.
193S1: um... and that in looking at h- at th- him and at
these other people, these are the conclusions you draw
because of...
sort of right right right right.
194S3:
or, right my stereotypes of them right.
195S1: you need to get that up front.
196S3: okay. i'll i'll put that in the first sentence
then when i fix it.
197S1: okay
okay now...
okay.
okay now because you have made all these
assumptions about other people,
mhmum you need to talk about, um the fact
that these are just assumptions,
mkaythat you're making... i'm running out of
ink here... um
and that's what you have to say here. not
that these bu- you know that these_ that's how these people
are, but that these are assumptions that you're making. um,
and then you can move from that to, um
the fact that, you want to live_ you want
to be more reflective about your own life.
198S3: mhm
199S1: and you want to um
y- you want to make decisions about how to
live your life based on, the kind of person you wanna be.
200S3: mhm
201S1: um you don't want to appear to other people to be
overly aggressive or inconsiderate or
(mhm)
whateverit is, um and that, um
i'm not sure what you what you want to say
at the end what do you think?
202S3: well, kinda the point is that um, people act a
certain way because of, what their life consists of like,
okay
thepressures that are on them. and that
affects how and, affects their personality.
right.
a lot oftimes in a negative way.
okay.
uh
butif they didn't have those pressures it
probably wouldn't be that way.
203S1: right. but everybody has pressures and
right.
andso you're saying that you, from your
point of view you hope what? or you want what?
204S3: well i was just saying that i'm the
same way (they are)
205S1:
it's too late?
206S3: yeah.
207S1: okay.
208S3: that we're all just shaped by s- uh society and
there's nothing we can do about it.
209S1: okay. um... alright then you could... you could,
you know start this um... with a kind of rhetorical question.
are my assumptions, jus- my assumptions about these drivers
justified?
210S3: mhm.
211S1: um and then you can say, um well m- maybe not n-
maybe not down to the last, detail,
mhmum that_ you n- maybe not in the detail
which you've expressed in this story, but it is clear that
society it forces people into certain, um... boxes
212S3: right.
213S1: right?
214S3: mhm
215S1: okay.
and that you then you say that you realize
that you're in one of those boxes too.
216S3: okay...
217S1: or it boxes people in
okay?
218S3: okay.
219S1: i think your descriptions are really good, you
just need to be careful that you separate out what you're
imagining about these
mhm
peoplefrom, you know what you can, what
you observe.
220S3: okay. thank you very much.
221S1: you're very welcome. um
what is this?now you y- g- did you fill these
out?
i did
goodthank you very much. um, alright is
this you la- th- is this your last paper for the
semester?
222S3: uhuh.
223S1: oh good.
224S3: yeah,
yeah.
225S1: what are you gonna do the rest of the summer now?
you
gonna be here? oh, you're gonna work.
226S3:
work. no i'm going home to work.yeah
227S1: where's home?
228S3: Chicago. so i'm excited.
229S1: well that'll be fun
yeah. yeah.
yeah. a littlechange of pace here
right?
230S3:
yeah i cannot wait.
231S1: yeah i know how you feel. okay well good luck on
your paper.
232S3: alright thank you.
233S1: okay
bye
seeyou later.
{END OF TRANSCRIPT}